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iRuN · May 22, 2005, 07:16 PM // 19:16

I havn't yet completed every mission ingame yet so i havn't seen all cinematics. I can care less if people dont want to see one that i havnt seen yet, if they have a problem then kick me from group and enjoy henchman or find someone else. I didn't buy this game so inpatient players could tell me what i can and cant do on it. Only times I'll skip one is if i've seen it or it hurts the timer, other than that if your in my group get prepared for some watching

EDIT: was thinking... if you can't handle a small 5 minutes away from gameplay then you may have issues

< not directed at anyone in general

C-Tzar · May 22, 2005, 08:25 PM // 20:25

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Originally Posted by dargon

The problem with 'replaying cutscenes' is that the cutscenes don't actually exist. They are generated on the fly using the built in graphics engine plus a couple extras (voices, etc). Or haven't you scene your party get smashed during a cutscene when it started but not all the mobs were dead

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The cut scenes don't exist? What is that supposed to mean? There is no spoon? They don't exist as pre-rendered FMVs, but they do exist. They are simply sets of character model positions fed sequentially to the graphics engine instead of frames fed sequentially to the video buffer. And I for one am glad for it. It's the reason the game didn't come on 6 discs.

The videos being rendered on the fly would not prevent re-viewing of them, or really even make it difficult to do. Sure the party is visible in the scenes, but in a re-viewing they could simply generate some preset or even random character models to use in their place and have the viewer always be the "party leader" that does any interacting in the clip.

I've wished for this option since day one. Not so that I could skip them and come back to them later, but because my memory sucks and it would be nice to watch them all at once in order instead of sometimes going days between them where I forget what's going on.

As for the action not stopping during the cut scenes, yeah that can be annoying, but it can also be entertaining. I watched a cut scene where the speaker was saying something about “<so and so> will fall” and right then, with the most ironically perfect timing, one of our necro’s bone buddies runs out of life and does a face plant. I was laughing at that for the rest of the day.

As for the original post; having to watch a cut scene more than once might be annoying, but never being able to see it at all because some are impatient is far worse. I DO agree they need to fix the "action keeps going during cut scenes" bug, but everyone has a right to see the cut scenes. They are part of the game that people payed money to enjoy.

EDIT: I just noticed that there were 3 pages in this thread. Sorry if this babble seems out of place, it was based only on the first page's worth of posts.

For the record, I'm retarded (and apparently blind).

irishlord · May 22, 2005, 10:56 PM // 22:56

i like the cinamatics

Mav · May 22, 2005, 11:29 PM // 23:29

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Originally Posted by iotc247

I think the current system works other than the fact that people can die asap after the cut-scene. The list is just a list. If it was a vote then it would not be fair to the people who are playing for the first time. Party leaders dont deserve to control the fate of the team either. Their purpose is just to form a team. Sometimes that person will control the group if designated by the team. The game is a team game, that means teams decision. Everyone counts.

Then the game needs to be tweaked.

Change the title of "party leader" to something that doesn't by definition mean leader, say "party former". This way there is no confusion about it, we would know for a fact this person is simply put the guy who forms a party in town and that his power ends there. "leader" misleads you into thinking he/she may have other abilities other than forming a party. Its a pointless title that just adds to the frustration of problems you encounter in instances.

And you're quoting team decisions on me? It's a team game right? Well my team decides we want to skip the cinematic, except for one person. Team game so the majority should win. Everyone counts yes but trust me when I say if we had an ability to get rid of, or remove that one person, we would. Every, single, time.

Mav · May 22, 2005, 11:39 PM // 23:39

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Originally Posted by Daywalka

I hope I'm never in your group then. That's far more than being a jerk. I like to watch all the cutscenes in the game at least once. Why should I have to take flack because I enjoy seeing every aspect of the story I've spent over 100 hours of my life on? Who are you to decide what I can and can't see?

Because unlike some, I believe the party system to be a democracy. And DESPITE what people say, it is. Example, you've got a large party, 8 people. And you're doing a mission and you come to a crossroads. 6 guys go one direction, 2 guys go the other. Everyone stops and communicates about which way to go. Nine out of ten times, the party will follow the democracy, even if it was the wrong road to choose, people go with the majority. Sure the other 2 guys might have still gone on their way but as you can see from hunting, you stand a better chance at survival in the pack of 6 than you do with 2 people.

I, as a party leader for example, do not decide FOR you. A cinematic comes up, theres 8 people in our party. You choose to watch, the other 7 of us don't. That, DESPITE, what people say, is a vote. I am voting to skip, as are 6 other people, while 1 does not. When it's over, yes sometimes we've gone back to town and reformed the party, cause THE PARTY decides to remove people who will not skip. It was a GROUP choice to remove them. While I agreed with it, and still do, it was not solely my decision. So don't take it as such.

And the funny part is, is that if there was some way to (other than aggroing stuff) to remove people in PvE (i.e. killing them in pvp style combat) you can bet we'd do that. The only reason some of us, mainly myself so far in this thread, are discussing alternative means because; we can't remove you. We can't kill you and get you out of our way, we can't stop you from watching every cinematic. The best we can do is attempt the proven to be flawed voting system, or go back to town and reform.

You may think, oh he's taking this too seriously. Or "omg shut up and watch the cinematics already who cares" well I for one, do care. Every single computer game I've installed that FORCES me to watch a cinematic, I've uninstalled. Straight out. This game, doesn't force us, we have options to get around it, it's just these options are currently flawed in the fact they favor the 1 lone person in a party of 8 who wants to watch it. I don't know about you but in a party I expect a democratic choice system of where we go, what we do, and when we do it. Not a system of dictatorship which says despite 7 others being aganist it, the 1 wins.

Aetherfukz · May 22, 2005, 11:47 PM // 23:47

While I, too, think there should at least be the chat window for people that want to skip that cinematic, or some other stuff to get them thru it, IMHO the one that hasn't seen the flick has all the right on the world to see it.

I am mostly one of those guys. With my best character I just arrived at Druid's Overlook some hour ago, and play all the missions from Yak's Bend on for the first time. And I really care about the story and the NPCs, that's what makes the world our Avatars inhabit real and gives us a justification to save it.

I would be more than angry if I was cheated thru a cutscene just because 5 other guys have seen it or just don't care about it!

BlaineTog · May 22, 2005, 11:51 PM // 23:51

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Originally Posted by Mav

This way there is no confusion about it, we would know for a fact this person is simply put the guy who forms a party in town and that his power ends there.[/i]

There's already no confusion by virtue of the fact that the leader doesn't have any powers beyond forming the party in town and taking it back when a mission is failed.

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Everyone counts yes but trust me when I say if we had an ability to get rid of, or remove that one person, we would. Every, single, time.

Then you, sir, are rude, and more than a little bit petulant. I'm sorry, but you are.

Loviatar · May 22, 2005, 11:59 PM // 23:59

[QUOTE=Mav]Because unlike some, I believe the party system to be a democracy. And DESPITE what people say, it is. QUOTE]

MAV
unless you say BEFORE going out *we skip the cutscenes* to give someone the chance to say later dude i want to watch them it is completely your own fault

and in that case you have no right to complain

C-Tzar · May 23, 2005, 12:14 AM // 00:14

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Originally Posted by Mav

...Every single computer game I've installed that FORCES me to watch a cinematic, I've uninstalled. Straight out...

Is that a threat? Oh no! Please don't uninstall the game and deprive us all of your whining and selfish attitude!

Mountain Man · May 23, 2005, 12:31 AM // 00:31

I actually really like this feature of the game. It makes it so that everybody stays together, and nobody has to miss the cinematics if they don't want to. It's a well thought-out feature.

Mav · May 23, 2005, 01:06 AM // 01:06

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Originally Posted by BlaineTog

Then you, sir, are rude, and more than a little bit petulant. I'm sorry, but you are.

Welcome to the world of mmos (or corpgs in gw's case). The majority pretty much always wins, and as such shit happens. Im rude? So be it thats fine with me. But I take comfort in the fact that 6 others out of a 8 person party also feel the same as I do (in general) and would do the same if given the choice to get rid of the person.

Adaria · May 23, 2005, 01:09 AM // 01:09

I see more whining here from 'certain' people than I do any real statements on why they are right, so to speak.

Why is this an issue, honestly? I have to agree with alot of others here, Mav, you're rude, and I really hope never to end up in your group, because, man, thats just harsh.

If you don't like it, then go out with the henchies, what else are they there for eh? So YOU don't have to play with other players.

If you have such a problem with the system, then like someone else said, MAKE IT CLEAR that you want to skip the cinematics. Otherwise, I feel you have no place to whine about the system of things. Group Leader doesn't mean you should dictate EVERYTHING in the group, starting missions sure, but depriving people of the cinematics for which they want to see the story? I don't think so...

Here's a question, what exactly is your point for playing if you don't even care about the RPG aspect or story of it, at all? You sound like you'd be happier over in PvP land than PvE land personally, where there is no story, just Player Vs. Player action, no cutscenes, aside from those random ones in Tombs/HoH.

Mav · May 23, 2005, 01:10 AM // 01:10

[QUOTE=Loviatar]

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Originally Posted by Mav

Because unlike some, I believe the party system to be a democracy. And DESPITE what people say, it is. QUOTE]

MAV
unless you say BEFORE going out *we skip the cutscenes* to give someone the chance to say later dude i want to watch them it is completely your own fault

and in that case you have no right to complain

Yes, of course. When the party is formed and we enter the mission, even as a non party leader I say in Team chat: please skip the cinematics. And most times the majority, as said, will agree and say so in team chat. Until that is, a cinematic comes on and 1 person, out of 8, doesn't skip. And no he/she couldnt have missed us saying to skip as they moved around, killed mobs etc

Loviatar · May 23, 2005, 01:10 AM // 01:10

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Originally Posted by Mav

Welcome to the world of mmos (or corpgs in gw's case). The majority pretty much always wins, and as such shit happens. Im rude? So be it thats fine with me. But I take comfort in the fact that 6 others out of a 8 person party also feel the same as I do (in general) and would do the same if given the choice to get rid of the person.

nice attitude

do you bother to warn people you skip cutscenes or do you ambush them and then try to force them to skip?

and isnt it nice that GW lets an individual see it if he/she wants to even if the majority yells

Mav · May 23, 2005, 01:12 AM // 01:12

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Originally Posted by C-Tzar

Is that a threat? Oh no! Please don't uninstall the game and deprive us all of your whining and selfish attitude!

Are you as stupid as your forum avatar? Seriously?

I LOVE mofos that quote a certain sentance and leave out the important ones that follow;

- I say I uninstall games that force me 100% no options to watch a cinematic, true. Is this some obvious "threat" of me not playing GW? Grow, the ****, up mother ****er

- I say just after that, the part you LEAVE OUT, that GW has options for skipping cinematics however they are FLAWED and need tweaking.

K thx owned

Adaria · May 23, 2005, 01:13 AM // 01:13

Ok, that was uncalled for even if its just a bunch of ***'s...

Time for someone to go bye bye for awhile and learn a few manners...

Mav · May 23, 2005, 01:14 AM // 01:14

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Originally Posted by Loviatar

do you bother to warn people you skip cutscenes or do you ambush them and then try to force them to skip?

99.9999999999~% of the time, yes myself and several other team members will say in team chat that we are skipping. we often repeat this several times, just to make sure even the legally blind people whom have trouble reading, can see it.

Mav · May 23, 2005, 01:18 AM // 01:18

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Originally Posted by Adaria

Ok, that was uncalled for even if its just a bunch of ***'s...

Time for someone to go bye bye for awhile and learn a few manners...

You're kidding me right

Not only is there a profanity filter (yes I learned to live with that some time ago) but if some ****'s hurt your wittle itty bitty ears then Little Timmy needs to get mommy and daddy to install a V-Chip on his computa!

It's the internet, if you can't take some strong opinionated discussion, maybe the internet isn't for you *shrug* And this is GW after all, my god some of yall would get eaten alive by players of other games like Quake or Counter Strike. You think I'M rude? www.steampowered.com there are some rude mofos

Adaria · May 23, 2005, 01:19 AM // 01:19

Honestly, 99% of the time I miss the text on the side due to being used to being on Teamspeak, and not needing to pay attention to it. SO if I'm with people not on TS, I sometimes miss things due to the flow of battle. Quite easy to do when taking out six or so enemies, enough to bump the chat buffer up a whole nother screen.

Also note, for no real reason, I AM legally blind in real life. >^_^<

EDIT: It seems to me that you are more whining than actually discussing...

And, you do realize how insanely stupid you sounded right? Anyway...

We don't need flamers, or name calling of THAT calibur. This is Guild Wars, rated T for teen, but does that mean everyone should be rude, flaming and obnoxious? It shows bad character and also gives GW fans a bad name if the majority were to act in the same manner you have with the extreme profanity.

Loviatar · May 23, 2005, 01:22 AM // 01:22

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Originally Posted by Mav

99.9999999999~% of the time, yes myself and several other team members will say in team chat that we are skipping. we often repeat this several times, just to make sure even the legally blind people whom have trouble reading, can see it.

do you get confirmation from any *new* people or do you just assume since you said it they had to have seen it?

if they confirmed it than i consider it a done deal

if no confirmation it is up in the air

it takes only a moment to get agreement on terms of the mission and/bonus confirmed and avoids a mess later